Before retirement - not working days were Holidays. From retirement onward, all days (for me) are Holi-days.
Spouse especially number four volunteer work. Travel, some, yes. Gardening - we did that for three decades to that aspect is a continuation. The difference in retirement is modest decline in physical strength and ability, especially female in this partnership / marriage.
Your complicating things waaaaay to much.
Wonderful insights. I was also forced into early retirement due to the economy. Now I'm working part-time as a consultant. Not the same life I used to have by a long-shot. I've found much peace by growing my character (some voluntary, some a response to dire financial situations), getting more involved with church and God, and growing friendships. I'm looking for ways to maximize my remaining working time dollars. I called tiaa-cref to try to get some insights into how to invest. They led me to a tool which told me I would like to invest in mid-to-high risk. Next I had to pick funds (it seemed like there were fifty million and I'd have to read through pages describing each one - and couldn't understand what it said anyway). OVERWHELMING. That's as far as I got. Any additional assistance would be appreciated. I've been happy with tiaa-cref results over the last 30 years but this last experience was not helpful.
Laura, discussing specifics about investments is beyond the goals of this forum. But I have a suggestion that I took from a post I made under a thread on Required Minimum Distributions from IRA's: "There are a bunch of savy higher ed types over on the TIAA-CREF forum on www.morningstar.com under the "discuss" tab that really understand annuities. You might want to run through this with them."
For myself, it was like a game. Rather than trying to figure out things (investing) in advance (I believe anyone who thinks they can do that is self-deceptive), I just used a few "rules of thumb." First, I figured that I could "afford" to "lose" perhaps 5% so if that is the maximum portion that I put into any one fund, even very "stupid" decisions would not have catastrophic consequences. I also went for moderate to high risk. For myself, I was not interested in bond fund(s) and if I did any Real Estate investment trust stuff, I would have just done it in a moderate (very) fashion. Mostly I was looking for growth but also willing to put some of my "eggs" into a Balanced fund, maybe socially conscious - all sorts of things.
Once my percentages (like throwing darts) added up to the required 100%, I would just let it go automatic pilot and review the movement in total dollars, share counts and such for each allocation (type) and consider (but not necessarily do) changing some (or all) of the percentages. Of course this might take a few days into the new quarter (July next, for example). I did not assume that I knew anything but my intention was to learn by looking / observing and seeing how it "felt" to me. I tend to do Contrarian things, which is figure out the gut reaction that others might have and deliberately diverge, going my own way. If you are "single" then you may have a totally different philosophy. The best to you.
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Thank you. I will definitely call for an advice session. It sounds like it's exactly what I need. Even though I have a masters in Computer Engineering, trying to read and understand the volumes of pages on so many funds left me reeling. Your suggestion is much appreciated.
JoRita, you seem to me to be over complicating your retirement. Don't forget your "me"time, lots of it.
Art, I saw your post (earlier in this thread) about how you and your wife are spending your retirement together, but I'm curious to hear about what you do with your "me" time.
Well, every morning at 6 AM I meet a few retired friends (and 1 still working) at a local Panera's to discuss last nights BB game, what our plans are for the day and of course try to resolve world problems. LOL! No politics or religion discussions. If you feel the need to cuss there is a certain seat that is reserved for cussing. The seat is dedicated to a friend that sat there and cussed a blue streak every day. He is now passed away. After morning coffee I will run errands before heading home about mid morning. My lovely wife who is a "night person" is usually asleep until about 10 AM. On Monday and Wednesday I golf with a different group of retired guys and we usually have lunch after our round of golf. My wife who has a small business creating crafts and art work is usually in her studio in the afternoons doing her creating. Tuesdays is our movie day at one of the local theaters and then dinner after the movie. The wife also stays busy attending creative art style classes such as Zentangle. She also enjoys scrap booking and attends scrap booking "crops" several times a month and a weekend long crop on occasion. She is also publicity director for a local Art League. My hours at home are spent puttering around our 100 year old home, taking care of our cars and yard work. I only tackle the small jobs these days leaving the big jobs to contractors when needed. Our 2 sons have given us 8 wonderful grand children who range from 18 months to 18 years old. All their activities keep us constantly on the run. The wife and I eat dinner out just about every other day. Who has time to cook??? Some afternoons I just need to take a short nap to re-energize. We enjoy cruising and try to do one every other year. This past spring we sailed the Eastern Caribbean for 10 days. Our next cruise will be to Alaska or to the Mediterranean. I enjoy surfing the internet, reading newspapers and listening to music.
Art, Alaska is one of the two states that we have never been through. I would be interested in how you might explore Alaska. Cruise? Road trip? Fly and drive? Or????
woods and water - sound great to me. My big surprise is writing (daily) poetry. I have always written - a lot - but never thought of poetry-writing process. Big help from reading A. R. Ammons, Lucille Clifton, Trethewey (poet Laureate), W. S. Merwin and especially monthly POETRY magazine and the Sun (out of Chapel Hill, NC).
Thumbs up! But you'll still be awakening at 5:50 am.
More fun - that was a surprise for me. I liked having work hours and place. What I "miss" most, in a very positive way, is that 17 mile drive (each way) daily - in Interstate "parking lot." That is a good thing to miss. Soon it will be five years of not driving. It (retiring) also allowed / encouraged me to give away (literally) that old rusty (trusty) car which was 26 years old, the last 13 years of which I was the driver.
impertinent question of mine - M I S (management information services) - or gender clue? don't have to answer.
I think many people define retirement in terms of what they won't be doing, LOL. But now that we've been retired for several years, I will say that I think the most important part of retirement is how you will handle the issue of socialization.
We ALL need socialization. Even my spouse, who is as self-contained as anyone can be, occasionally enjoys "getting out and about with others". One of the most striking things I noticed about my MIL's decline from dementia was that her circle of friends kept getting smaller and smaller, and smaller still! They died, or moved away, or were old enough that they didn't want to drive an hour on the freeway to visit.
Thank heaven for telephones and cell phones - without them, the elderly would be cut off from everyone. My MIL only had a 6th grade education and can barely do more than write her own name. An entire letter would be totally beyond her capability even if she didn't have dementia. Last year we moved her to a senior facility, and the increased socialization has done exactly what we hoped for her. She is so much happier than she was when living with us.
We have friends the same age as MIL who are alert, sharp, and still living alone. The husband said to us, "Yes, we had the same problem as your MIL - our old friends were dying off. So we solved that problem - we just went out and found younger friends!"
And that's exactly the right thing to do. One doesn't need money to find new friends. But one DOES need an interest, some initiative, and a genuine desire to get out of the house.
Retirement is now the opportunity to do more and interesting things, than we had time to do when we were working. We don't need to fill every minute, but every once in a while, taking the time and energy to break out of a routine is liberating, even exhilarating!
When someone used to ask me about retirement my response was always living in Montana or Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, New Mexico or Idaho since they are such beautiful states & the mountains are appealing. My wife is retiring in two months at the age of 65 & at the age of 66 I am now seriously wondering when to retire & my new response is that retirement is scary. I just can't imagine not going to work particularly since I now make a healthy salary & frankly hate to have to watch my pennies. I know we have more than sufficient funds to retire but I enjoy going to the supermarket on Fridays after work & purchasing $100 of food that we don't particularly need & not worrying about bills. I'm still responsible for an elderly parent & have a 28 year old living at home who has problems that may necessitate her always living at home so having the extra money is important to me at present. I can likely stay at my current job at a university for as long as I want to, but I no longer receive calls to consider other positions.
My wife is greatly into church stuff which just doesn't interest me. In our Sunday School class we only have two or three couples who still have at least one of them working & the others seem to volunteer for everything & enjoy it. The church seems to have an unsatiable appetite for your hours & your money. I have plenty of interests so having nothing to do is not a concern, just having adequate money is, particularly after the recent recession where I saw many of our investments fall considerably in value although most of them did eventually regain their worth. My current plan is to work no longer than 4 years & grab the maximum Social Security check & then retire unless a health issue dictates otherwise.
I identify strongly with your stance regarding money, although my responsibilities are considerably less. My employer (higher education - I was computer tech support for 11 years) encouraged me to "Good retirement" in 2009. The last day I was allowed to work, 30 June 2009, finished out eleven full-time years. My spouse is some months older. When she retired at age 67, I also entered Medicare (I had turned 67) and we started receiving maximum Social Security direct deposits that October (one month delay, by design). We both are heavily involved in a church (she retired after 27 years as Senior Pastor, Presbyterian). At the house, her office is upstairs at the north end of the house, mine is down in the basement "dungeon" at the opposite - south - end of the house. That helps keep a civil relationship. I worked for about fifty years, so getting paid but not working (for pay) was a novel and new experience for me, like not going to public school the year after high school graduation - going instead to a college 60 miles distance in the state where I lived in my childhood.
It appears Mrs. Braxton has the right idea, She is upstairs, your in the basement on the opposite side of the house drinking your much needed metamucil.
Unfortunately, it seems like I need another 12 years to retire in order to get the best Social Security amount like taconner mentioned. Like Sharon posted, I also like to get up early. I'll let my wife sleep late for marital harmony. Luckily, we have similiar hobbies, collecting old things. She collects teddy bears, I collect old Lionel trains. I thinks hobbies like those and gardening, etc. are good to keep us active. Good luck to all and stay healthy everyone!
writing "poetry," I collect syllables -- have Tweeted more than 13,000 (140 characters at a time). Each can hold quit a collection of syllables.
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It means the same thing that working years mean, except we'll be working in some other less time consuming capacities (continued Church based ministry and volunteering for good causes) while enjoying greater times of rest, relaxation, and leisure as we follow the LORD's good stewardship instruction to continue to put us in a position to bless other people to the degree He calls us with the blessings that He showers upon us.
My works won't make me righteous, better than anyone else, nor good enough for Heaven - His perfect sacrifice on the cross and resurrection and righteousness and my acceptance of Him as Savior allow me access to the eternal heavenly home He prepared for believers. Yet, He created me for good works and is greatly pleased when I engage them to help others. Retirement will be another stage of refirement for this passion and cause.
We’d love to hear more about your volunteering in the My Giving Back topic!
The more I reflect on what's ahead in retirement I think of the four individuals I watched the closest - my grandfathers, my dad & my father-in-law. One grandfather was a big gardener & you could always be assured of fresh or canned vegetables when you visited. He always had money making schemes which he was usually successful at. He was retired for 41 years from a steel mill job he hated. He was married for 77 years before he passed away at 96 & loved his whiskey & his chewing tobacco. My other grandfather fought Parkinson's & died young. My dad spent his few retirement years fighting cancer & also died young & my father-in-law was lost without his small business as he had no interests & seemed to follow his wife wherever she went.
Staying away from illness seems to be the main objective & having some interests that you greatly enjoy. I've tried gardening & enjoy it but do not have my grandfather's green thumb. For the time being I'll opt to stay employed.
2014 July 1 will begin my sixth year of retirement. I am 69, turning 70 in August. My brother (younger) retired at age 61.
Retiring means getting to live your life in freedom. It is not endless sloth, or addiction to technologies, although it can be, it is also having the time of truly connecting to friends, families and old Loves. It is great,!! it is a time of great creativity and growth, if you want it to be, and if it's bad weather, it's fine to turn over and sleep till noon. Of course, you can also eat anytime, and stay up till all hours.
I've been retired almost 10 years now, and am just hitting my strides. I learned from a professional retired person, that it takes time to learn to be retired. Allow yourself that time and be patient with yourself.
I travel every year 2-3 months. But last year I was away from home over 5 months. I worked overseas for 15 years which made me comfortable with all the minutiae of figuring out other countries beaurocracy, so if you've never traveled outside the US that might not be a great idea for you, except very cautiously.
Since my retirement is not even half the duration (so far) of yours, I have a lot to learn from you -- especially the travel. We went to Kenya two weeks 2013 August, four weeks 2014 February. Amazing!
If you're interested in sharing, we'd love to hear more about your travels in the My Lifestyle topic, specifically in the Travel category. What was your favorite destination? Do you have any recommendations for others who would like to travel in retirement?
Well, it's been over 3 years since I retired and I haven't looked back. Being retired means me and the wife can do what we want, whenever we want for as long as we want. We do manage to do all we want while still enjoying our 2 sons and 8 grandchildren. We don't let any grass grow under our feet. We travel at least twice a year to places we have never been. We eat dinner out about every other night and sometimes more often especially if the kitchen floor is either to cold or to hot. LOL!We are both involved in several activities that gives us each our own space and it works out wonderfully for the both of us. Life is good except for the aches and pains that come as we "mature". I highly recommend retirement, but you need to save, save, save, so that you won't waste time worrying about outliving your retirement savings.
30 June will complete my first five years. August 31 will complete three years for spouse.
doing what I want to do when I want - no matter what it is and with people I enjoy.
I retired a little over a year ago. My wife is a little older than I, and is a self employed artist, so I guess that is something you never retire from. My wife and I really enjoy each other company, so having me around the house a lot more has not been a problem. In years past we did a lot of overseas travel. Glad we did it than, not sure we would enjoy it as much now. I was 62 1/2 when I retired, but want to delay taking SS for as long as I can, have been doing some consulting work to help supplement the income. Thought I would find it interesting doing consulting for different agencies, but after 40 years of solving other peoples problems, find I am tired of dealing with other peoples problems, but the extra money is nice. Find it is nice to be able run errands etc. during the week when things are less busy. Most say I really love being retired..
I just read an article on Huff Post 50 titled 5 Innocent Things You Say That Make Retired People Mad. The list reminded me a lot of this discussion thread--how the old-school perceptions of retirement (lounging in Florida and taking naps) might not always ring true today.
I'm curious to hear what you all think about this list and what you'd add to it. What do you wish people better understood about retirement?
Wow, people are touchy, aren't they? None of those things offended me in the least. I do plan to spend much of my time in FL because of all the outdoor activities available. I'm glad naps are an option because dawn is frequently the best time to be on the water and I'm likely to be tired by late afternoon. I'd feel complimented to hear they think I can teach because I have a ton of respect for teachers even though I don't think I posses the skills. I'm looking forward to volunteering but plan to focus on things like helping to guide eco-tours rather than sorting books or pouring coffee. And, last but not least, having the liberty to search out new things to do each day is one of the beauties of retirement.
One thing that has rubbed me the wrong way is when people assume I'm interested in a retirement community. I know they're popular, and are great for some people, but to me they seem like a pre-nursing home program. I'm not preparing for a nursing home, I'm starting the next phase of an exciting and active lifestyle.
Another thing is when the first thing people ask about is the quality of medical care in the area. I know the question is well intentioned but I doubt they would ask a younger person that same question. I am smart enough to keep health care as part of the equation but I certainly don't want it to be the primary focus. Frankly I think a person, even an aging one, is better off living a healthy lifestyle than worrying about the gout or their bowel movements! I feel bad when I see senior citizens whose only conversation seems to center upon their illnesses and what they ate that day.
I totally agree with your comments on retirement communities. I moved my mother into one about nine years ago & into another one about four years ago as she needed more attention. The first one was a regular apartment complex & appealed to me but the current one looks as you say - a pre nursing home program. Also, about every two or three weeks someone dies & they have their picture & a short eulogy at the entrance/exit to the facility. The few friends my mother has become close to have passed away unexpectedly & it significantly impacts her when it happens.
One of the members remarked to me one day, when I was helping my mother into the car to go shopping, that my wife looked particularly nice today. I mentioned to them that she was my mother - I asked my wife later if I really looked that old & she said yes - thanks a lot.
I read where you tend to see yourself at the age when you most enjoyed life & for me that is 33 - though I do sometimes see my father when peering at me in the mirror these days.
my parents were seven years apart in age - some people thought my mother was my father's daughter. He died in 1988 (age 72) and she turns 91 in a couple of weeks (God willing).
"me" time and (in my case) "we" time -- we just went on an extended trip for five nights - then yesterday, together washing some windows at our single-family house of three decades.
My perspective of retirement is to stay active with the things that one enjoys doing and not being tied down to other commitments. In today's contemporary society, this is probably no longer a dream unless people have made financial sacrifices to make a dream like this come true. My plans in retirement includes volunteering or finding a part time job at a YMCA, maybe sub a couple days a week in the schools but also to increase my relationship with my fishing pole and my bike, and maybe someday, when the time comes, grandchildren. I seek to increase my knowledge in the area of financial growth and independence. I think it is a sad world we are living in when so much stock is put into accomplishing "tasks" rather than living a life of "significance". No wonder there is burnout, mental and physical exhaustion, etc. Working hard is important, being diligent and disciplined is important, but at what cost? Look at the world we are living in. People in the end will remember others by "who" they are rather than "what" they did in their professions or the community. At a recent funeral I was amazed that on the front of the "bulletin" was the name of the deceased and then "Ph.D. after his name. I thought to myself "why"? This was a good man but dedicated his life to being nothing but a scholar within his discipline but that was it...that was all he knew. He ended up being a very lonely man, died a lonely man after his wife died of severe Alzheimer.
I find that retirement tends to be a generational thing. My parents, my dad who will be 89 years old in November, one of the last WW II Battle of the Bulge veterans and my mom who will be 86 in October used to struggle with retirement with regards to the type of work they were in.....education. Dad was a college professor for 35 years after being a pastor for 20 years in three different churches...all good churches. My mom taught 4th grade in the inner city for 30 years. Money has not been an issue during retirement because of how financially disciplined they were, however, they always had to be needed and wanted to be involved in peoples lives in a positive way. They had a difficult time in their early years of retirement because they had to have something that brought significance to the lives of others and their own. They are not travelers because they see that as not being important compared with being an "influence". In their professions they had a tremendous impact to the point that colleagues and former students still keep in touch with them.....but it is not in the form of a "job". For the past 6 years my mom has volunteered at the local hospital and has looked at it as a "job"....which has disturbed me because she has tied herself down when she could be doing something else...but she still is living a life of "significance", which I guess in the end is ok and if it makes her happy. As I have watched them in retirement, I am reminded that there is a world to explore and learn more about. Jobs working with people has meant a lot to them...."a job". I have learned that one does not need a "job" to have an influence in life. Whether I am wading a river while fishing or bike riding, there are always opportunities to leave an impact because eventually we all run into new people. Retirement is an opportunity to let your hair down and be "you"....."real", and not having to "be somebody". Once again, it is not about "accomplishments or excellence", but rather it is about "significance". Retirement is a time to turn the reigns over to the next generation as scary as that can be at times. Retirement is a time to "pray hard" for that next generation.
Enjoyed reading your very insightful comments concerning your parents. My mother never worked outside of the house but my dad was all about being in the military & contributing to the greater good. After 27 years he retired from the USN & sort of flailed around trying to get centered in civilian life which he never did. It must have been very difficult for him as he entered the military at 17 fresh out of high school in 1942 & retired at 44 & knew little else other than shipboard life. I remember reading we should "work to live" not "live to work" - for many that is difficult to do. Frankly, the thought of not having a profession that I can take pride in concerns me & since I contemplate working only 2 - 4 more years know that the final move into retirement looms. One of my friends & I were recently talking about the fact that entering the work force in our younger days was an introduction into a different life style that took some time to become acclimated to & that retirement will likely be a somewhat similar & perhaps trying experience.
man across the street just died after many years of retirement (USN). His spouse survives.
Bo????? What does your neighbor dying have to do with defining retirement???
I think Bo misread retirement as interment.
he sure did. LOL!
Had to do with the fact he also is retired USN: and, there is a correlation (between retirement and death): epidemiological study of the patterns and correlates of survival after early (age 62 to 64) and normal retirement (age 65) ... For two companies, death rates were significantly elevated during the first, fourth, and fifth years after early retirement. Among normal retirees, elevations in death rates occurred during the third or fourth years after retirement. My (retired professor) college room-mate just died - so death is on my mind. Sorry one (or two) feels annoyed (apparently) with my participation.
So retirement is defined as death?????
Always hard to know what isolated numbers mean. I think a lot of people take early retirement (age 62-64) either because they already have significant health problems or because they think that they have a genetic predisposition to die relatively early. If such is true, then it makes sense that they tend to die a year or two sooner than their still-working peers.
Or some to increase cash flow due to SS. :-))))
A sense of humor would help you have a better retirement and even extend your life.
what beautiful writing!
when she could be doing something else
Today one of my short poems is about "things I have to do"
I have never been a fan of "to do" list(s) and one of my favorite children's book stories in Frog and Toad is when the wind blows away a to-do list. They (friends) wind up sitting down - because "find List" was not on that to-do list.
I do like tracking accomplishments and things completed - a sort of "Done" - but not as a list, more like a river or stream (as in stream of time or stream of consciousness) - flowing by - to take notice but not get caught into.
sort of meditative.
I like your bicycle - five years ago when I was being encouraged to retire, the employer notified my spouse that they thought of giving me a GPS. She replied, "Don't give him a GPS - give him a bicycle." That was the best retirement gift (from them).
I still ride it. Kept well in our garage, it is as new as that day five years ago.
BoBraxton and jmarknielson, take a look at this discussion thread, which is all about bike riding: Biking. There are many others on the community who enjoy this hobby!
I read an interesting article on the subject of "the new retirement". It says the most important thing is too stay engaged. You need to keep moving, exercising, learning new things, and do some sort of part time work. That is the way you will live to at leat 90 and stave off Dementa. If your mind and body are not challenged it will deteriorate just like an unused motor.
obituary I saw of a guy age 102 who kept walking to work on Wall Street up until his death.
Oh my, you want a definition? I say: Retirement is when you re-design and live for a future which -- if you're blessed -- you at last get to define (so long as health lasts and God wills).
Lots of assumptions re: health, wealth, dreams in that, I admit.
I've been "retired" from my career for 10 years now. I've never been so busy and would have no time for "work" which I define as "significant time spent executing the will of others." My "retirement" has seen me able to earn a bit of income, or not, from writing I now want to do. To divorce and remarry in a mature-folks relationship. To renovate a house that fit her desires to a design I like. To learn that container gardening can be fun; part of which is learning what the deer like and steering clear of all their food! Finding a personal relationship with Jesus and being reborn; ministering in the church --
My greatest pleasure is spending time with my wife (a designer), where we get really busy talking and melding comfort with edgy design. And my greatest rewards come from my church which is in a university town; I am a mentor for university students, undergrad and grad as they learn to adjust to new life roles.
About the notion of retirement being about resting and taking care of "just me": my Grandma worked at a job she loved as a cook/housekeeper for a group of priests and she stayed until her mental sharpness disappeared at age 84. When she would be encouraged to "take care of herself" and to "rest," she'd say "There'll be plenty of rest when I die."
She was one of the wisest people I've known.
JoeW519, thanks for sharing. You sound like a great person to profile as part of our reinvention series, given all of the changes you have made during retirement. Send me an email at MyRetirementHelp@tiaa-cref.org and we can get started!
While I was teaching full time I taught adults skills upgrade type courses. Thus I often taught every night of the week. This prevented me from pursuing my passion to sing choral music because all groups rehearse at night. Once I retired I devoted my energy to pursuing my passion. I had a long way to go and much to learn but in seven years I now sing with a large auditioned chorus that sings with a professional orchestra and sometimes sing with a professional Opera company. I'm living my dream and learning new things every day.
That's great RalphShafer! I think you would also be a great fit for our Reinvention Series. Send me an email at MyRetirementHelp@tiaa-cref.org if you're interested.
working / hard un- / -employed
sledding / down hills / with friends
I'd hate to think it has to be all down hill! Prefer to look at my retirement as a bit more cross country!
I like boating, fishing, gardening, biking, hiking, and golfing 365 days per year. I only stay inside if it rains.Can't keep a good man down!
That's exactly what I hope retirement will be like. I just returned from a long weekend grouse hunt in the mountains of PA. We averaged walking about 12 miles each day and fixed dinner on a grill or dutch oven. Today I'm sore, tired, happy and mentally refreshed!
If you live in the south you can do it. Just stay mentally and physically sound.
I knew that I liked your hobbies! I just returned from 3 weeks hunting ruffed grouse in the Lake Superior area. I try to do this every year now and have been doing so for over 50 years.
Maybe you can help with some advice about shotguns. Due to my grouse hunting heritage, I am a true "snap shooter". I never see the barrel or the front sight, so the gun had better shoot right where I am looking. For 2 seasons now I have been amazed at how much worse that I am shooting with a new Franchi Instinct SL Over/Under. Due to my shooting style, I don't shoot that good anyway except in tight situations, but this gun has given me some misses that just blow my mind. I love this 12 gauge O/U with 26" barrels and choke tubes weighing only 5.8 pounds, and it is beautiful too with the aluminum receiver and shiny external choke tubes. The old 12 gauge Browning Citori O/U was getting a bit heavy for an "older guy" out in the deep woods. I can almost twirl this new Franchi while scaling fallen trees and other obstacles (Superman!!!).
Franchi has a 7 year warranty and I am returning it for the 2nd time after patterning it on the last trip. It shoots high at 40 yards into a 30" ring with high-brass # 6 and # 71/2 shot with modified and improved cylinder chokes, respectively. The pattern is 65% or more in the top half of the target. Franchi service claims that this may be due to the European preference for this behavior. My question is do you know of any source that states how various makes of O/U shoot. I need a gun that shoots right on (50% both over and under point-of-aim)?
They think that I should get used to the gun and modify my shooting. Ain't going to happen after 50+ years. This old dog ain't going to hunt if those are the rules. Time to replace this beauty, but I think that it will be much more expensive and the weight will be heavier. Maybe I will have to struggle with the 38-year old Browning. (By the way, the Browning cost $375 in the 1970's. Look at what a new Citori costs today or any other O/U. YIKES!)
Since I rarely go hunting, I sold my shot gun years ago. Most of my friends go deer hunting or skeet shooting. Some of my friends have at least 5 pistils and 5 rifles in their safe and only take them out to show off to their friends. A few have pellet guns to chase of squirrels and chipmunks from their bird feeders. If you leave out dog or cat food you will get coyotes, coons, bears, or possums. I mostly get deer eating my plants, especially when it gets cooler.
Jerry, I'm certainly no shooting expert but I'll send you a PM with my thoughts.
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Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive: Bee Gees - Stayin' Alive Lyrics
Bo, you have more definitions than a dictionary when it comes to defining retirement.
I believe about 25 times. UUUUGGGG!!!
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